[7:53:37 PM] (Channel) Jumper: Why should modifying content be forbidden?
Everyone can buy a new PC, a new mouse or a keyboard, because nobody forbids you to do it. Same thing here, everyone can modify whatever they want in the game, especially in an open-source game like Sauerbraten.
So you may ask: Why am I not allowed to use modified skins? There is a thing called advantage. There is two kinds of advantages - legal and illegal.
The first one is when you bought a better, faster and more responsive keyboard or headset.
And a second one is when you installed cheats on your PC and playing with them to win.
In an open-source game you cannot control content modifying, so there is a community to control it. But nowadays the community allows you to use modified skins.
Let's get into it and make a decision - Is modifying content cheating or not?
Someone will say that it's obviously not. However if you will look on it from another side - you will have a different opinion. If you modify your playermodels and make them bright - it will give you unfair advantage over those players who's aren't using bright skins.
Why? Because it deeply affects the gameplay. One player can have a modified player models and another can have standard ones. You don't have a control over it, it's up to the player you're playing with and you can't check what they are using.
But the same situation with cheating. Everyone can download/create cheats and use them because it's an open-sourced game and it gives you the possibility to do this.
But then you would ask:
So you say that any kind of source/content modifications are cheating? No!
Only those which really affect gameplay. For example source modifications such as scoreboard statistics are legal. They don't affect gameplay and they don't help you to kill an enemy. Overall decision is - only and all those modifications which affects the gameplay and helps you to kill an enemy are illegal.
Thank you for reading. Sincerely yours,
Jumper
Earlier, he was asserting that it was cheating. He did in the text too.
So you say that any kind of source/content modifications are cheating? No!
Only those which really affect gameplay. For example source modifications such as scoreboard statistics are legal. They don't affect gameplay and they don't help you to kill an enemy. Overall decision is - only and all those modifications which affects the gameplay and helps you to kill an enemy are illegal.
Brightskins don't help you aim. They don't let you peek around corners or see their positions on the minimap and they certainly don't give you an unfair advantage. All they do is make things more obvious. A trained eye can see red Ironsnouts just as easily as an untrained eye can see my bright yellow skins.Zoocata, you had the right impression, i think he just changed his mind over time because he realized that it is just part of the game, and was intended for the player to choose the brightness of models to his/her preferences.
End of story.
EDIT: I only read about half of this before making this reply. I was under the impression Jumper thought brightskins should be consider cheating. Oops.
It was a little presumptious (though understandable) of Buck to think you had changed your mind, because your wording at the end leaves it ambiguous. I think he just didn't listen to the video.idk, all i did was read the mumble chat, i didn't listen to any recording :/ Sorry if I had the wrong idea.
I wonder how people can even compare modified player model skins with modified maps. As Star already mentioned by giving the examples of Quake and Warsow games, it's legal there to use bright skins and by default in Quake you can change colors of the skins to whatever you like though modifying maps is not legal there and everywhere else because you have a different version of the environment which may help you to score flags faster, to see more or to get to some places to which naturally you can't get.
One person uses modified skins and another uses clean game without modifications. In this case, it's like a human against a vampire - you don't see him yet but he do see you.Did you even read about Inky?
have to be a clean test of your skill and everyone should be using the same content.
QuoteI wonder how people can even compare modified player model skins with modified maps. As Star already mentioned by giving the examples of Quake and Warsow games, it's legal there to use bright skins and by default in Quake you can change colors of the skins to whatever you like though modifying maps is not legal there and everywhere else because you have a different version of the environment which may help you to score flags faster, to see more or to get to some places to which naturally you can't get.
Let's look over professional cybersport. One of the most prestige and professional games in cybersport is CS:GO. Does anyone modify playermodel skins there? Obviously not. However they're allowed to use modified gun skins because they're brought to them by an official community. If you would ready my text, then you would notice that I have been talking about tournaments, not a casual games. So in my opinion, to test your pure skill on a tournament - everyone should be using the same sauerbraten client that doesn't allow you to modify basically most of the game content. Why is that? One person uses modified skins and another uses clean game without modifications. In this case, it's like a human against a vampire - you don't see him yet but he do see you..
P.S Please, read my posts carefully . I am talking about tournaments ONLY.
Sauerbraten tournaments i have seen so far do not seem very seriousTry playing in one.
... it's about consensusThis is what it is. The community consensus is that modified skins aren't cheating. The community consensus in Orgy Cock Sucking Gentry is that
surely you are looking for something for your own benefit when talk about thisHe wants to exonerate himself by overcorrecting to account for his rampant cheating.
Try playing in one.
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P.S Please, read my posts carefully . I am talking about tournaments ONLY.
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